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grahn
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 Posted - 26 Jul 2008 : 11:53:49
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Looking in the rigging manual is shows the use of the jib halyard swivel. How do folks normally store this swivel? is it essential? I can't remember seeing one with my boat. I'll have to look on jib halyard on the mast when I see the boat next.
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grahn
67 Posts |
Posted - 26 Jul 2008 : 19:27:15
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| Yes it was on the end of the halyard. Not had the boat out yet still waiting for a club to come through with a parking space. |
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neilgbj
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Posted - 26 Jul 2008 : 19:55:50
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Are you are talking about the short hook on the swivel ? It is supposed to hook onto the forestay if you really want to, I have hacksawed mine off as it was a real pain......personal preference if you want to keep the forestay on when sailing, some say it causes problems gybing the spinnaker (I think it does). I always put the forestay on if cruising but otherwise take it off...hope this makes sense
Regards
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NickM
United Kingdom
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Posted - 30 Jul 2008 : 22:49:13
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I often find it useful to roll the jib, e.g. when cruising, but have found it problematic.
If you clip the hook on to the swivel onto the forestay as intended, unless you really tension the forestay after tensioning the jib halyard, it tends to get caught up in the jib when you roll it up. I asked Laser about this and they said that best practice was, once the jib was up, to untie the forestay from the bow eye and tie it off somewhere down the front of the mast. That way the hook still anchors the swivel at the top if the jib but the forestay is well clear.
I find it still tends to collect the spinnaker halyard when rolling the jib unless it is held well clear.
Regards
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deswift
122 Posts |
Posted - 30 Jul 2008 : 22:59:27
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| When rigging the boat, we always tie our forestay back to the shroud fixing, making sure it's behind the spreader. I've done away with the bar that clips it to the jib halyard. |
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Pete1
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Posted - 31 Jul 2008 : 20:41:13
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After tensioning the jib I untie the forestay and keeping it tight I tie the elastic around the thwart and keep it under tension. Everything is out of the way of the kite and the jib furls/unfurls nicely without the halyard twisting (the hook from the swivel is hooked on the forestay)
When furling/unfurling the gennaker halyard needs to have a little tension to keep it out of the way which is no big deal.
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bubble
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Posted - 31 Aug 2008 : 10:48:14
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Hi all
been thinking for a while about tying the fore stay back when the jib is up, to stop tangles.
If you have a jib cable or fitting failure this would bring the mast down, where as, if the fore stay was on, a failure in the swivel fittings etc etc would mean the mast integrity reverts to the fore stay again, all be it weak. would this save you?
or am i a paranoid 
I don't have any elastic on the fore-stay so I have to adjust it each time.
regards Neil / Cambridge/ 622
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grahn
67 Posts |
Posted - 31 Aug 2008 : 17:56:48
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Hi Bubble,
hope you and your family are well. James one of my boys, same age as your's was less then impressed on his second boat trip when I admitted defeat as asked for a tow back to the club house. Infact he was quite upset. My problem was the wind from behind the club house the tide and all the moored cruisers. My other learning curve problems have been not using the right main sheet. One I had was to short the other to thick stoping me depowering the main. Not pointing the boat into the wind dock side. Dropping clevis pins in the grass. Had a nice weather day yesterday for sailing and hoping for some more good weather |
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deswift
122 Posts |
Posted - 31 Aug 2008 : 19:06:03
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Hi Neil, yes, I think you're being paranoid. Getting it back out of the way is definitely the thing to do. It just eliminates an unnecessary problem. But if you don't sail with the spinnaker, it doesn't matter.
If you have to adjust it each time anyway, it's no more, or less effort.
David
303 Warsash Sailing Club
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Pete1
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Posted - 01 Sep 2008 : 10:08:03
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As I mentioned above I tie my forestay to the thwart. I can also tell you that this is sufficient to stop the mast falling down when you bring down the jib forgetting to re-tie the forestay!
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Puddleduck65
United Kingdom
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Posted - 29 Aug 2013 : 08:29:06
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Hi All,
I've encountered lots of problem with the jib halyard top swivel hook. It seems to me to be about the best way of tangling either the forestay or spinnaker halyard or both. I already tie the forestay to the mast when sailing, so is there any point in keeping the hook? I see on this forum some people have removed it, are there any disadvantages in doing so.
Darrell
739 - Cardiff Bay Yacht Club
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Ian S
United Kingdom
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Posted - 30 Aug 2013 : 04:43:01
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As long as the gennekar halyard is tight during jib furling/unfurling operations, the tangling problem doesnt happen. When we had a L2000 we always used to tie the forestay back to the mast foot to reduce tangling. The wire hook gives a bit of distance away from the luff of the jib to allow for the furling to occur. Also for there to be no tangling, the forestay itself needs to be fairly tight... we re-tighten it after tightening the jib halyard... (Dont rely on bungee cord) ...
...One good way of keeping the gennekar halyard tight ( AND ALSO REDUCES TANGLING IN THE COCKPIT) is to thread the free loop betwixt the back of the uphaul cleat, and the back of the recovery end of the genny bag through a small block, and then bungeee this block back down the starboard side floor, tying it off to the skipper's footstrap. The bungee should be of the right length to allow all the slack in the gennekar line to be taken up, but also keep the line taught when the gennekar is in its sock (as above)
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Puddleduck65
United Kingdom
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Posted - 30 Aug 2013 : 08:21:46
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Hi Ian,
Thanks for the tips. I also sailed an L2000 for a while and got use to tying the halyard to the mast. I like the idea of a bungee on the gennaker halyard, only concern would be to get enough tension on the line. I can see if there is too much, there might be a tendancy for the halyard to cleat off during retrivel.
Regards
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sboot
United Kingdom
23 Posts |
Posted - 12 Sep 2013 : 13:32:17
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Just one word of caution.
Please DO NOT REMOVE the Stainless hook/bar link at the top of the Jib to the fore-stay.
The link is there to make sure that when you furl and unfurl the rotation happens at the swivel at top of the jib, and not on the halyard above. Without it the swivel joint dose not work properly and the woven wire halyard would get twisted and untwisted as you furl and unfurl. It will then wear and fray where it goes over the pulley in the front of the mast and it will soon fail at that point.
If you have tied the fore-stay to the mast foot then the failure of the halyard will be catastrophic!!
I have seen this happen on other boats.
If you have removed the bar please inspect your halyard regularly and keep your fore-stay tied at the front.
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